Blood spots on Lacey’s bedding

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:10 am


Can anyone weigh in on gripe water and simethicone for gas? I noticed last night that Lacey's tummy was rounder and felt like there was some gas. This is the second time I've noticed this, so I looked online and found conflicting information.

I seem to remember conversations about simethicone bringing gas bubbles together and making it more difficult to pass. Others used gripe water. So I picked up some gripe water and tried 0.2 ml every few hours with tummy massages more frequently. I notice the gripe water contains sodium bicarbonate. I'm not seeing an improvement.

I contacted the vet this morning, but they don't recommend anything over the counter. They also don't want to administer motility meds since she's eating, drinking, and output is pretty good. She has an appetite but I'm just concerned.

I stopped all fresh foods last night so she just has hay, a small amount of pellets, and some CC watered down for hydration.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:37 am


You might email Sef on the cons (I think she experienced some cons). There's a link to Bugs Mom's massage tips on the emergency page. Vibration can help. The simethicone seems to help some guinea pigs.
http://www.guinealynx.info/emergency.html#bloat

It is possible some of my off-site links will not work. I strive to keep Guinea Lynx links live but things change everywhere else!

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:51 pm


Lacey made a trip to a new vet clinic today. She's been off her hay and pellets for a few days, output is way down, and I'm exhausted syringing CC and water. Her weight is dropping, she's lethargic. So I called my usual clinic again and they referred me since the exotic vet isn't in until Saturday.

Today's vet was very knowledgeable, collect a ton of info on new patients, and they do a thorough check-up. X-rays revealed a large gas bubble on her right side, but nothing notable as far as stones or any skeletal issues. They drew urine but it was thick, so she may have a bladder cyst. They'll test what they have and see what they can find. They also took blood but couldn't get enough for a panel to test kidneys, etc., so they'll try again next week at our follow up.

We got some metacam for pain and discomfort, and the vet recommended 1.0 ml of simethicone every 8 hours for gas. I asked about gripe water, they don't recommend it because they don't think it does anything. So I picked up simethicone, and then called to verify the dosage. She said it's on the high end and I could start lower if I felt more comfortable with that. So I'm giving 0.3 ml every 4 hours to see if it helps.

Her tummy is softer and not so plump, but she's really tired out tonight. We were at the clinic for about 3 hours and they had to give her a little whiff of gas for the x-rays. Just hoping for the best and trying to get more food into her.

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Sef
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Post   » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:50 am


Oh, poor Lacey. I'm so sorry to hear that she's still not herself, ItsaZoo. Yikes on 1.0ml of simethicone. As you know, I've had several bad experiences with it myself, so I would definitely advocate starting with the lowest possible effective dose---and discontinue if you notice that it makes her even more uncomfortable. See:
http://www.guinealynx.info/motility.html#simethicone

Glad to hear no stones, at least. I'll be curious to hear the results of her urinalysis. Are you noticing any sludge on her bedding?

Sending good thoughts your way...

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Post   » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:29 am


Hoping for some improvement in the next few days.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:12 am


I am sorry to hear Lacy is ill! It sounds like you found a very good and thorough vet. Hand feeding can definitely be exhausting.

Wishing for the best for her.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:09 am


Thanks for all the well wishes. I am seeing some powdery spots on her bedding but not actual sludge. I'm wondering if this is from the calcium in the CC, which is replacing her hay, or if she is dehydrated. I syringed water but I don't know if that's enough.

The gas drops seem to help and I'm staying below the 1 ml dosage. She's not so puffy but still seems to have a bubble on the right side.

She drank a little water last night and picked at her hay. This morning her output was improved so I had high hopes. But most of the day she just sits in one place, not interested in eating or drinking. So it was another CC day. She was pretty sick of me tonight and wouldn't take the CC, so I mixed it with more water and tried a 1 ml syringe. She liked that and took it easily.

I haven't gotten test results from the vet yet. Someone from the clinic called to see how things were going, but she wasn't a tech so I couldn't get any info. She said the vet would be getting back to me.

Tonight she ate some pellets, and she's still interested in corn husks but she just kind of burrows in the hay. I don't know how much she actually eats. And sometimes she rolls the food around in her mouth like she's got some caught, then she starts chewing and she's fine. The vet wants to check her teeth anyway so that will be part of the follow up appointment.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:37 am


I was just going to ask if her teeth have ever been checked. With what you describe, it's certainly something I would want to rule out at the next visit. Many GI issues are related to dental problems.

Sending more good thoughts your way...

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:53 pm


Don't forget Bug's Mom's abdominal massage to help relieve gas. I'll see if I can find a link.
http://www.guinealynx.info/records/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=117

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:38 am


Well, right now the gas issue seems to be resolved - her tummy is soft and the bubble seems to be gone. I did lots of massage and small doses of simethicone so maybe that's behind us.

But I do think there's a dental issue. This morning she was eating small strips of corn husk, and a few pieces of hay. But from time to time she'd stop and pull her mouth to the side, or paw at her mouth. Tonight she just picks the hay up and throws it down, and now she's doing the same with corn husk.

She ate pellets tonight but it took a long time and some were just mouthed up and laying on the floor of the cage. I feel so sorry for her, especially when she looks for treats at night. So I took a little watermelon and mashed it up in a saucer and she ate that. I did the same with a few small pieces of green pepper. Otherwise, she's getting watered-down CC and I put water on her vitamin C wafer so it was mushy and she could eat it.

She has a vet appointment set for Thursday, but I plan to call tomorrow and see if they can get her in sooner. I talked to the vet yesterday and she's back in the office on Tuesday.

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Post   » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:04 pm


How about soften a few pellets too?

I am sorry about the possible dental issue that may have developed :-(

Hugs to you both.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:29 pm


Thank you - we need hugs!

Lacey has a cup of softened pellets and dish of small hay pieces in water. She also has a separate water cup since she’s not using her water bottle. It looks like she did manage to eat some pellets. And I took a corn husk and tore it up and she ate the small strands.

She had metacam this morning and two CC feedings. The second time she ate quite a bit because I added a little watermelon juice to the CC. It’s hard to tell how much dry she eats because I mix up a tablespoon at a time and make it really soupy so she eats it better.

I called the clinic and my Thursday appointment is the best they can do. is the soonest available. I also called an exotic specialty about 60 miles away and they’re booked 3 weeks out. When I mentioned my location they suggested the clinic where I have the appointment, and also the clinic I was going to originally. That gave me more confidence in the local vets, and I guess I’m pretty lucky to have an appointment on Thursday.

The only other thing I was thinking of was buying a little smoothie blender and trying to make a hay smoothie. With a little fresh grass or watermelon juice she might be interested in lapping that up.

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Post   » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:18 pm


I think you need to get some teeny tiny umbrellas to decorate her smoothie :-)

Also glad you are more confident about the local vet. Her intake is sounding more encouraging. I hope she can manage to maintain until the appointment.

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Post   » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:06 pm


So now I’m the proud owner of a Nutri Ninja blender. Another customer in line at Target told me I’ll love it.

I whipped up some CC with a few pellets, and just enough little pieces of green pepper so she could smell it. The texture is smooth but I have to make more than a tablespoon at a time. I’m keeping some refrigerated and freezing the rest. And I also tried hay, water, a cube of watermelon and a little CC. That is more watery but she actually eats a little on her own so I don’t have to syringe it.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:57 am


Did Lacey appreciate the treat? Sounds tasty to me!

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:16 pm


Yes, she can be coaxed with a little mashed watermelon on top. I have to be careful with the sugary fruit and gassy peppers, but so far so good. I really hope the vet can figure out the eating issue because her appetite is back.

She’s eating her third little spoonful of smoothie all by herself. And she wheeked for her vitamin C this afternoon so I broke it apart on a little plate with some water. She just ate some pellets but it takes a long time and then all of a sudden she runs to her hidey, twisting her mouth like something is caught.

She had 21 cc of soupy Critical Care so far. I followed a few of the syringes with a short piece of fresh grass and she did okay with that. We’ve got at least 3 more feedings tonight.

I never had kids, but I empathize with new parents trying to keep up with feeding babies.

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Post   » Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:55 pm


Update on Lacey. We went back for a follow up on Thursday. The vet checked her teeth and found nothing wrong. She also got enough blood for analysis and the results came back today. Everything is within the normal ranges, kidney, liver, red and white cells, and minerals levels were tested. She’s a little on the low range for red cells but not serious, and we have nothing to compare to.

So now she wants to do an ultrasound on her abdomen and x-ray her mouth. I told the vat that Lacey isn’t eating enough hay, but she will eat pellets, corn husk, and grass. However, she eats more slowly and sometimes pulls her mouth around, or paw at food in her mouth like it’s caught or she doesn’t want it. I’ve tried cutting the hay and husks into 2”-3” lengths and that seems to help but not enough to get her eating sufficient amounts.

The hay smoothies I made aren’t popular anymore, so now I have this stuff frozen and I’m mixing it with CC to get her to eat.

As if that isn’t a full-time job, the dog is having tummy issues. He was uncomfortable and hunched over so we thought his back was sore. A new vet at his clinic saw him but was pretty much useless, didn’t even do a X-ray for arthritis. She prescribed Rimadyl for pain. Now I’m thinking he actually had stomach issues that are worse due to the NSAID. So he’s on a bland diet and getting antacids until he can get back to the vet tomorrow.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:40 pm


That is odd, ItasZoo. Everything you describe screams dental issues to me. So was this just a visual exam? Is this vet fairly experienced in dealing with dental issues in rabbits/rodents/guinea pigs? It can be easy to miss things if they don't have the right tools or decent imaging. I do think I'd opt to have full dental x-rays done if they didn't do that. Abdomen is not likely to tell you much other than gassy, but I guess it's worth a look.

Glad her blood work looks good, though.

I'm really sorry about your dog's tummy troubles, too. :( Darn, when it rains...

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:09 pm


Bummer that the hay smoothies are not appreciated like they were before! Hoping you can get some answers.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:17 pm


Can't wait for the weekend to be over! The dog is better so we cancelled the vet appointment this morning. No point in going since, because he is on heart meds, they don't want to "stress" him with diagnostic tests or bloodwork. We've had two previous appointments for other issues and this is the excuse they use, so I think it's time to move on. I actually called Banfield because they were the only place open, and the front desk person gave me a lot of good advice to get him through the night. I was impressed.

Anyway, I agree, Sef. I think Lacey has a mouth issue. Even when she takes the syringe, it's really gentle like she doesn't want to touch it. In the past she would grab it and not let go. And she doesn't use her water bottle. She sometimes tries to turn her head and get way under it, but I have a dish in her cage and I've seen her drinking from it.

This vet, Dr. M, did a visual exam of her mouth. Since we know the bloodwork is good, she feels comfortable using anesthetic to do an x-ray and look for anything under the gum line. She also wants to do an ultrasound because the previous vet, Dr. G, did an ultrasound and said there was a mass she couldn't identify. When Dr. M drew urine for analysis, she got something thick that looked like it could be from a cyst.

Dr. M seems very knowledgeable about guinea pigs. In fact, I contacted an exotic specialty clinic about an hour from here. They were booked 3 weeks out and when I told them my location, they recommended Dr. M. This is the clinic info on exotics they treat: https://www.companionsweb.com/veterinarian-services/exotic-pet-care/

Lacey is most hungry afternoon and evening. Last night she had 26 ml of CC before bed. Then I put corn husks in the Ninja blender and shredded them like coleslaw, so she ate some of those. I did the same with some dry orchard grass just so the pieces were more manageable but I don't know how much she actually ate.

This morning we had some corn husk, carrot shreds, a little grass, and 11 ml of CC. She did eat a little of the smoothie stuff but she's not impressed. So I just have to keep her going until the vet can see her next week. I really we can find and correct whatever is wrong.

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