Slight diarrhea, not acting 100% himself

amberkenn2016

Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:25 pm


Hello!

I have a 1.5 year old piggy named Leo, and the only health issues he's ever had were ear mites and a URI a month back. After the passing of his cage mate, George, we've been babying him and basically giving him whatever he wanted. However, because of this, we're thinking we've been giving him too many vegetables (especially cucumber), because he's not as active as he usually is and his poops are looking a little smaller than normal and a bit smellier. I've noticed in the past, when we tried giving him vegetables for the first time, he had a bit of an upset stomach and had a hard time pooping. After a day of not giving him veg though, he was as right as rain.

The approximate amounts of veg we've been giving him these past few days was at least 4 slices of cucumber every day (I didn't realize how bad this was for his tummy, so we've stopped cucumber altogether until we can figure out what's wrong), 1/4 green bell pepper every other day, and one small chunk of carrot per day. He also has at least one green leaf lettuce leaf a day.

He is also peeing pretty frequently as well, not sure if it's because of the cucumber we've been giving him due to its high water content. He's also been a little more tired than usual as well, snuggling up in his hidey more.

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:42 pm


What you should do in situations like this is an elimination diet. Take him off all vegetables for 24-48 hours, until his poop firms up. Then add them back, one at a time, 48 hours between each new one, until you find the culprit. At that point, you can eliminate or severely restrict that veg from his diet.

FYI, green leaf lettuce and bell pepper should be the staples of his vegetable diet, and he should get them every day.

amberkenn2016

Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:08 pm


bpatters- He is getting leaves and green bell pepper every day. The only thing that has changed is the amount of cucumber we've been giving him. He's currently doing his normal poops, which I'm glad he's back to, but he's still acting a bit down. Normally, he will respond by bringing his head up when I call his name, but now he's hardly doing that. He's still eating hay and drinking water, but I'm still going to monitor him to see if he eats his pellets.

Question, but can cucumbers cause bloat if given in large amounts?

Vesperia

Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:28 pm


Yes, cucumbers can cause bloat. 4 slices of cucumber is not a lot at all, if he's getting bloated from that I would take it out of his diet altogether.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:23 pm


4 slices of cucumber is a lot of cucumber. That most definitely could have caused stomach upset. Also. not all guinea pigs can eat green pepper without causing gas, so you might try knocking that out for a few days as well. When my guys do get it, they only get a small amount. It's loaded with vitamin C, but it's not worth it if it causes bloat. Are you noticing any stomach distention? Does his belly feel/sound hollow when you tap it? The small poops might also indicate a motility issue.

As bpatters suggested. I would start with just leaf lettuce and then gradually add another (small amount) of veggie over the next several days/week+ to see how it goes.

Again, the lethargy could be gas/bloat, but possibly also depression if he's lonely.

amberkenn2016

Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:40 pm


Leo's poops are looking more normal and aren't smelly anymore, so I hope that's a good sign. He's been eating normally and drinking, so that's good too. I haven't noticed much distention if at all, and I've tried to see if his belly sounds hollow but I don't think it does. And when I put my ear to his stomach I don't hear gas, like those little clicks you'd hear.

I'm going to keep encouraging him to eat through the night and see how he does, and I'll give him some belly rubs too for good measure.

Also, he was treated with Revolution for ear mites last month, but he's been itching his ears pretty frequently lately on top of this. I was only given one dose and that was it. Is it possible that mites could be causing him to be lethargic as well?

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:43 pm


Yes, it could be causing a lot of discomfort. He may need another treatment.

amberkenn2016

Post   » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:08 am


Alright, so he's still pooping regularly and eating, but at times he almost seems reluctant to? It's been a little over 24 hours since his last bite of cucumber. I gave him a small amount of green leaf lettuce last night, but besides that it's mainly been his hay and pellets.

I have an appointment scheduled for him but it won't be until tomorrow afternoon. I was wondering what I should do in the meantime while we wait? He's still straining to go to the bathroom, so I'm not sure what I'm up against.

bpatters
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Post   » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:56 am


Are you thoroughly cleaning his anal sac? If you don't dig all that old, hard poop out, he'll still have problems pooping.

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amberkenn2016

Post   » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:49 pm


I have taken a look down there myself and it's pretty clean for the most part. The last time he had a digestive upset he had a little bit stuck up there, but now he doesn't. As for the straining, last month he had an ultrasound to check for stones and there were no stones in sight. And he has had no stone issues to the best of my knowledge, we got him from a humane society a month and a half ago.

I also put some hydrogen peroxide on his urine, and it didn't bubble so I take it there's no blood in his urine, so I'm hoping and praying it isn't anything urinary and it's just a tummy upset.

amberkenn2016

Post   » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:17 pm


I have some Metoclopramide here at home for a piggy that recently passed. Would it hurt to give that a try as long as I had the right dosage? Or should I start the critical care route along with fluids? He seems to be about the same as my last update. I haven't barely left his side all day just checking up on him.

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Sef
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Post   » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:19 pm


Is he still pooping? What do they look like?

amberkenn2016

Post   » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:43 pm


His poops are regular sized, as far as I can see. At least, regular for him. They're still bigger than what I'm used to in a guinea pig. His poops are staying the same color, a medium brown/slightly green.

I just massaged his tummy for about 20 minutes, and it looks like he's perked up a little. I'll continue on with that at the very least.

amberkenn2016

Post   » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:48 pm


I brought Leo to the vet, and the vet there didn't see much cause for concern for him after palpating his stomach. She said she's seen guinea pigs with bloat and he did not have anything close to that, so that's good. However he's still acting somewhat lethargic, and now has powdery deposits in his urine. He's still peeing, I've been watching him like a hawk.

About two weeks ago we changed his pellets over to Oxbow, so I'm wondering if there's a correlation to his urine looking the way it does. He didn't have a stone a month ago, so I was also wondering if stones can occur in such a short period of time?

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:22 pm


Stones can form very quickly. We had one guinea pig who formed them in less than a month's time.

amberkenn2016

Post   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:28 am


Just a quick update, we had Leo's urine tested a week ago and it showed that he had quite a bit of bacteria in it but no signs of blood or crystals. He is now on an antibiotic and had been taking it ever since then. The vet also palpated his abdomen to check for anything out of the ordinary, including stones, but she couldn't feel anything off. So the order was that if the antibiotics didn't help, we would continue with an x-ray.

I have only had him for 2 months and can't be 100% sure what his behavior normally is. But he stands still and poops a whole bunch, almost like he's in a thousand yard stare. I've had a pig who did that before but there was nothing wrong with him at the time. He's still moving around normally and is very vocal, he will bother our new pig until the cows come home.

Is standing for minutes on end and pooping in one spot abnormal behavior? He isn't vocalizing at all when he does it, and I'm assuming if he was in pain he wouldn't hesitate to let us know.

bpatters
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Post   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:38 am


I wouldn't worry about it, myself.

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Sef
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Post   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:31 pm


If you don't notice anything else unusual, then I would agree. That could just be his thing.

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SarahBBB

Post   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:36 pm


Can you try giving him 0.5ml of Infacol several times a day? My exotic vet recommended it to combat bloat. Good luck! X

amberkenn2016

Post   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:05 pm


I'm not too certain he has bloat, my vet told me that his stomach felt fine and wasn't hard with gas as you'd probably see in a bloated pig. And he doesn't look bigger to me at all, but I appreciate the suggestion.

My biggest worry is we have a new guy, Morty, and because he's so shy in front of us we put a blanket over his cage. Leo will go under the blanket during floor time and just sit there and stare at him. They're not in the same cage yet, but they're neighbors essentially. And he'll just sit there, almost frozen. I think he might just be enthralled that he has a buddy now, but I don't know if he looks uncomfortable or not. During these times he doesn't eliminate or pee. Is it common for Guinea pigs to stare like this?

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